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Jakyl25 posted...

pyresword posted...

Russia is engaging in a highly involved and sophisticated campaign to divide our society and create chaos/discontent

And most importantly, successful

If we are meddling in their elections then we stink at it by comparison

Wait for it, Putin will soon be releasing emails documenting how Bill and Hillary Clinton got him elected in 2000. But you see, now that he doesn't need them anymore, he's not going to repay the favor!
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And, the only reason there is/was enmity between the US and Russia in the first place is that the US, until Trump, insisted on treating Russia as an enemy even though the Soviet Union was disbanded 27 years ago. Russia tried our system in the 90s.... and we continued to treat them as an enemy. Didn't give them aid, didn't disband our military alliance (NATO) even though they got rid of theirs (Warsaw Pact). And after a decade of economic collapse and hyperconcentration of wealth, Russia gave up on our system and elected Putin.
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Nelson_Mandela posted...

The point is that you can't blame information for an election loss. There is false information from millions of sources floating around. You can't seriously blame one source for an entire presidential loss.

The only thing that really is concerning is hacking voting machines, which has been proven to be negligible.

I don't really see the difference between Russia influencing an election and Goldman Sachs, or George Soros, or the Koch brothers. Or Israel.
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I kinda feel Uber doesn't really know what they're doing with a lot of this stuff. Or, at least the old leadership didn't. They literally responded to California not letting them test their self-driving cars on public roads because they weren't safe by first saying they were going to do it anyway, and then announcing they were moving their self-driving cars to Arizona and testing there. No concern at all about addressing the safety concerns, apparently.

And it later came out that their self-driving cars had an error rate something like 5000x that of Google's.
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Uber drivers are not employees (officially), so they cannot be fired. Uber could refuse to send them any more business through the app, but then it's starting to look a lot like an employer-employee relationship if they are policing this kind of thing - and Uber's foremost priority is to maintain their stance that their drivers are not employees.

Kim Davis can't be fired because she's an elected official. She can only be removed by losing an election or through impeachment.
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xp1337 posted...

But speaking of Congress, a meeting between Trump and them suddenly appeared on the schedule for tomorrow where it hadn't been before today.

McConnell, Ryan, Pelosi, and Schumer don't know what it's about.

In Soviet Russia, inviting the leader to a meeting of a high level committee with de jure power when he didn't know the purpose of the meeting was a way of firing the leader. But that would only be applicable here if Trump was the one who didn't know the purpose of the meeting.
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Paul Ryan is pretty good at trying to keep everyone on the Republican side happy at once. They'll struggle to replace him once he leaves office in January.
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Jakyl25 posted...

What exactly is the stated purpose of the upcoming Putin visit?

Just a bi-annual check in?

Really Putin should have invited him to the World Cup final today.....and let Trump hand the trophy to the winning team!
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

https://www.salon.com/2018/07/14/elon-musk-revealed-as-one-of-the-largest-donors-for-a-house-republican-pac/

Self-proclaimed Socialist donates to keep Republicans in control of Congress.

What is the truth

Eddv just told us that his Democratic Party opposes socialism and always has. That pretty much makes socialism a part of the Republican platform. Just imagine Obama announcing he thinks socialism is bad and the GOP reaction.
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Eddv posted...

Kenri posted...

He's right that the Dems need to start focusing on class as a major issue though.

Just wrong and lying through his teeth about almost literally everything else lol

That's not even what he's saying.

Hes literally arguing that criticism of the Republican party is invalid until the Democrats become the socialist party they never claimed to be.

Its peak whataboutism from an insincere fuckboy who isn't worth anyone here's time.

That is not what I'm arguing. Read it again.
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MalcolmMasher posted...

And before people complain about Republicans - the passage about removing the plank in one's own eye before complaining about the speck of dust in another's eye comes to mind. Right now, Democrats have lost credibility with a lot of people. When they've gained it back, they can complain about Republicans and make the complaints stick. Right now they just get ignored.

I intend to quibble with this, not to disagree. I think that "Republican voters don't trust Democratic politicians, even when evidence supports the Democrats" is a rational explanation for a fair amount of the Democrats' current political woes.

But I also think that if the Democrats need to be utterly free from sin before Republican voters turn away - if even you yourself say "well, the Republicans deliberately forcing families apart in order to cause them emotional trauma is foul enough that I won't support them, but even so l will only consider voting for a Democrat if they publicly excoriate Hillary Clinton" - then isn't Democrats losing control of the government for a generation kind of a foregone conclusion?

They don't need to be utterly free from sin. They can even be massive sinners - but they do need to acknowledge their own shortcomings. And yeah, Democrats losing control of government for a generation is a possibility right now. Republicans have more government seats, particularly at state levels, than they've had since, what, the 1920s? The Supreme Court should be locked in for a long time after Trump is done, the Senate naturally favors small states, the House is gerrymandered pretty well thanks to great Republican success in winning the state legislatures, and that leaves the presidency, where Democrats couldn't defeat the most unpopular candidate since the beginning of polling.
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There is a segment of the Democratic Party that effectively ignores class as an issue, that has made it clear that it is not as important to them as social justice based on race, gender, etc. They'll vote against tax cuts but they won't even vote for serious actions to rein in big banks and definitely not for any protectionist policy. And they'll vote for a candidate that has earned her fortune by giving speeches to big banks at $225,000 a speech.

This makes people angry, because at the top of the economic ladder is where there is the greatest advantage for white men - look at the stats for CEOs, judges, politicians, etc - and it doesn't look like Democrats are interested in changing that. But they do want affirmative action in schools, which will hurt the chances of poor and middle class white and Asian kids but not rich legacy students whose parents can give big donations. They do want to force all Starbucks baristas to go to sensitivity training because one or two baristas among the hundreds of thousands employed nationally behaved horribly - and no mention of sensitivity training for Starbucks executives. They have tried to get people who donated small amounts of money toward the Prop 8 campaign fired by publicly shaming them, but aren't able to do anything to billionaires like Donald Trump and Sheldon Adelson.

Very big and rich companies based in California or New York will publicly boycott whole states where they don't do a lot of business for the states' political choices, but they probably won't stop going to conventions held at the Sands Convention Center in Vegas, even though it's owned by GOP megadonor Sheldon Adelson. They won't boycott places they do a ton of business like California no matter what policies the state's politicians come up with.

So what does this look like? At best, hypocrisy. At worst, it's open class war, and it's one where the rich are winning. So what does Trump offer people? He is rich enough to fight back. The typical middle class American may feel silenced because he can't afford to be viciously attacked as a something-ist merely because he disagrees with liberals - the risk of economic harm is too great. But Trump is a billionaire, and he can afford the losses. He's not afraid of losing his job. He'll be less rich, but still pretty darn rich, even if people stop staying at his hotels.

So to the Democratic Party: if you want to win, please take class seriously as a major issue. All of your messages will come across better if your entire leadership doesn't consist of rich to very rich white people who have favored rich people like themselves over and over.

And before people complain about Republicans - the passage about removing the plank in one's own eye before complaining about the speck of dust in another's eye comes to mind. Right now, Democrats have lost credibility with a lot of people. When they've gained it back, they can complain about Republicans and make the complaints stick. Right now they just get ignored.
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Lightning Strikes posted...

red sox 777 posted...

GuessMyUserName posted...

"cut off from EU or cut off from the US" is such an immensely losing proposition for the US

The US keeps pulling themselves from the table forcing other nations to create even closer ties to the competitors they're supposedly worried about

It's amazing. Even just here only within Canada he's actually he actually managed to unite every party behind Trudeau which is honestly mindblowing with all the shit flinging that comes flying across from all 3 major parties in parliament like the elbowgate shitshow.

It would be dumb, except that Britain put itself in this position by voting for Brexit. They committed to removing themselves from the EU without getting their replacement deal with the US or others in place first. Well, someone who treats bargaining as a zero sum game like Trump is going to pounce whenever he sees weakness, and Britain has a very weak hand right now.

The UK could not have done that and still cannot. As an EU member it cannot negotiate separate trade deals, doing so would defeat the entire point of the EU and the Customs Union. Britain has a weak hand because it's in a weak position, and slashing its regulatory standards to get a trade deal with the US will not solve that. Also look at what Trump has said about Sadiq Khan and tell me he has not called anybody from another country dumb or similar. Come on.

Trump's issue with Sadiq Khan is that he doesn't like Trump.

And yeah, Britain is in a weak position now. The time to plan these things was before the Brexit vote. And no one would have stopped them from negotiating a conditional deal (maybe in secret) with the US then, other than Obama not being interested. They could have waited a year until Trump took office to hold the referendum.

But they went into the vote virtually without planning for what they would do if Brexit won. And now are suffering the consequences.
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I can't remember Reg ever once making a substantive post. He responds to 80% of my posts with flaming. Not worth talking to him.
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There's obviously a disagreement on how Hillary's statement was taken here. No need to reopen that as it was discussed at length before.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

red sox 777 posted...

If I condemned anyone who lives in New York, just because there's a good chance they are a Yankees fan, that would be analogous to what Democrats are doing now with their sweeping condemnations of a quarter of the country.

to say that the majority of democrats are doing this is ridiculous.

It only takes a fairly small number of loud people to swing the election. And one of them was the actual candidate.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

red sox 777 posted...

It's the inability to see people as individual people and only as part of a group that is the root of intolerance.

what does this even mean?

Intolerance is when you fixate on a trait you dislike, and when you see someone with this trait, you become blind to everything else about them. For instance, suppose I disliked the Yankees baseball team. If I decided all Yankees fans were bad people, I would be intolerant. If I refused to hire Yankees fans, I would be engaging in discrimination (albeit legal in the US).

If I condemned anyone who lives in New York, just because there's a good chance they are a Yankees fan, that would be analogous to what Democrats are doing now with their sweeping condemnations of a quarter of the country.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Not being mean is entirely within the control of Democrats and if we are talking about practical things they can do to win, this is what they should be focused on.

we've been over this before, but this isn't what democrats should be focused on at all. tolerating racism, sexism, homophobia and nazism (what you call "not being mean") is NOT acceptable.

It's the inability to see people as individual people and only as part of a group that is the root of intolerance.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I said Trump doesn't call people from other countries dumb.

ok, so...? is this supposed to be the deciding factor that makes conservatives so much more civil and tolerant in debates than liberals? "trump doesn't call people from other countries dumb"?

The context of this was a debate about how conservatives can feel that Trump is not racist/nativist.
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GuessMyUserName posted...

"cut off from EU or cut off from the US" is such an immensely losing proposition for the US

The US keeps pulling themselves from the table forcing other nations to create even closer ties to the competitors they're supposedly worried about

It's amazing. Even just here only within Canada he's actually he actually managed to unite every party behind Trudeau which is honestly mindblowing with all the shit flinging that comes flying across from all 3 major parties in parliament like the elbowgate shitshow.

It would be dumb, except that Britain put itself in this position by voting for Brexit. They committed to removing themselves from the EU without getting their replacement deal with the US or others in place first. Well, someone who treats bargaining as a zero sum game like Trump is going to pounce whenever he sees weakness, and Britain has a very weak hand right now.
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

Inviso posted...

The active Republican platform has become increasingly hostile to liberals

agree with this, though this wasn't really the point i was making.

last time i was arguing about this with red sox he claimed that "'social justice warrior' isn't an insult," which is laughable. he also claimed that "trump never calls anyone dumb," which is blatantly false if you look at his statements about "dumb as a rock mika." and i didn't even mention how often people on the right call anyone left of center "communists." i think being called a "communist" is as bad of an insult as being called a "nazi," and i've been called a communist by muffin a million times.

red sox isn't wrong when he states that sometimes liberals are too harsh on their opponents, but whenever someone points out that conservatives are just as bad in this regard he sugarcoats their behavior or ignores it. that's extremely annoying.

I said Trump doesn't call people from other countries dumb. He regularly calls American Democrats dumb. I think this Theresa May thing is the closest he's come to calling someone from another country dumb.
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Eddv, why do you think the EU being around is good for the US? How about the Warsaw Pact? What about if China, Korea, Japan, Vietnam, the Philippines, etc. formed a unified trading bloc?
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Suprak the Stud posted...

ALSO my post doesnt even preclude Red Sox from having good reasons to vote Republican. Although I dont think he even voted for Trump IIRC.

My criticism is with how disingenuous this reasoning is for why Trump won. It is extremely common for never Trumpers and you hear Ben Shapiro in particular espouse it many times. Trump isnt Republicans fault! No sir, it had nothing to do with the toxicity of talk radio, years of fear mongering, embracing the tea party and killing off many moderates, hysteria amongst voters, latent racism or sexism within a small but sizable contingent of their voters etc etc etc.

No, it was because of Democrats! It was because of these forty moronic teenagers and their guy fawkes mask. It was this one woman in some no name school at Portland that said white people are dumb. It was this random bakery in San Francisco that sells cakes with penises on them.

It is a way of passing off their worst mistake onto the people who didnt even vote for him. Obviously republicans have good reasons for voting republicans. Democrats hurt my feelings and I need some warm milk is not one of them, and it deserves to be called out.

Whoa, so a couple things. I was talking about why Trump won, not why someone should vote for Trump. That said, I don't think you have any right to judge others for the motivations for their votes, or at least, that judgment is meaningless in a democracy. "Democrats hurt my feelings" is absolutely a reason people voted for Trump, and I single it out as a important cause because it is something within the power of Democrats to change. Seph is voting Republican because of self-interest - this cannot be changed by Democrats (short of changing their platform to call for even bigger tax cuts than the GOP). Not being mean is entirely within the control of Democrats and if we are talking about practical things they can do to win, this is what they should be focused on.
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Theresa May is incompetent and keeps trying for whatever reason to please everyone at once. I mean, it's not just her - not sure what the Tory party was thinking, putting a remainer in charge of Brexit. It would be as if the US put Hillary Clinton in charge of ending NAFTA.

It's obviously in the best interest of the US for the EU to break up - it's not in our competitive interest to have a competitor unified trading bloc that is just as big economically as the US.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

red sox 777 posted...

I wonder how many GOP victories it will take before these people learn.

Yet another version of This is why Trump won lmao

Top 10 reasons why Trump won:

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Liberals being mean to others
3. Liberal activists
4. Incompetent Democratic strategists
5. Donald Trump
6. Vladimir Putin
7. Barack Obama
8. The DNC
9. 16 other Republicans running
10. Twitter
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Just watched a video of antifa people being arrested. About 90% of the words out of their mouths were expletives at the cops arresting them. The rest was mainly threats and personal insults to the police who were being quite reasonable.

I wonder how many GOP victories it will take before these people learn.
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SmartMuffin posted...

Maybe but that's a different criticism entirely.

A team running down the clock for an entire quarter is quite rare, and likely only occurs in the event of an extreme blowout, such that it's less a matter of "we have to do this to win" and more of "we might as well do this because to do anything else would be to embarrass our opponents"

Parking the bus is akin to running the ball 80% of the time. Time wasting is akin to kneeling to run out the clock.
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Some of the Bundys were acquitted by a jury. They have a perfect record when they've gone to trial. IIRC, some other charges were dismissed based on prosecutorial misconduct. Trump doesn't need to pardon people who our judicial system has cleared.
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And the US system is working exactly as designed. There are 4 power centers - the President, the Senate, the House, and the Supreme Court. Win any one of them, and you veto to a large degree the actions of the others. Obviously 2 gives you more power than 1 and 3 gives you more power than 2. But win all 4 and you can do pretty much whatever you want.

It's fairly rare when one side can win all 4 at the same time and when that happens, they get to move the country in the direction they want. If you don't want it to happen - try to avoid losing all the elections at the same time!
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Suprak the Stud posted...

Is there any way they could get out of Brexit entirely at this point? I don't quite understand the intricacies of British law.

Like saw they held another snap election, and May's party got thoroughly trounced and the people who won were predominantly from a liberal party. Could they just refuse to enforce Brexit? Or do some lame, completely half-assed measure and say "there that counts"?

If they campaigned on it, they could probably hold another referendum. But Britain runs on convention much more than the US (the British Constitution is unwritten, after all). Legally, Parliament can do whatever it wants. Realistically, they won't go against the referendum without another one saying they can.
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Both countries claim the waters. The US and Canada have longstanding disputes over a number of areas along the border that normally no one really pays attention to because we are best allies.
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I'm kind of surprised Putin doesn't just invite him to the World Cup final in 11 days. That's how he met with Bush when Bush went to beg him to stop invading Georgia (at the Beijing Olympics).
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Considering that our two presidents are meeting soon, it seems totally expected that some people from both countries would be meeting in advance of the summit.
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Banning abortion across the United States is probably beyond the constitutional powers granted to Congress. Under conservative jurisprudence on the Commerce Clause and 10th Amendment, it almost certainly is. Under liberal constructions of the Commerce Clause (summary: Congress can regulate anything because everything influences interstate commerce), Congress might be able to do it.

It's a case that might produce some weird alignments of justices on the Supreme Court, maybe with a bunch of separate concurrences and dissents.
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If it is overturned, there will be states that will keep it legal. People can just travel to those states to do it. I'm sure liberals will raise large amounts of money to pay for travel costs for those who can't afford it.
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Even Scalia respected precedent. Thomas is the only one who frequently argues they should overturn decisions going back 100 years (and he's only really done it when in dissent).
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

red sox 777 posted...

Usually capital letters mean that it means something different from the conventional usage - like it's referring to some specific policy.

he also capitalizes the first letter of words like "country" and "crime." does he mean something different in those cases too?

That would explain why his statements don't make sense! Maybe the meaning even changes from day to day and even hour to hour.
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Russia wins! Putin gonna be subbed on in 95th minute of the final, riding a bear, and score the winning goal.
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Anthem was successful in getting the first Russian goal, so let's see if another USSR song can bring a second! The USA Republican Party and USSR Communist Party share the color red, they are natural allies!

Apple trees and pear trees went into blooming,
River mists began a floating flow,
She came out and went ashore, Katyusha!
On the lofty bank, on the steeply shore.

She came out and sang the song about
Her young friend, the bluish eagle from steppe
All about the one she dearly loved,
The one whose letters she treasured and kept.

Hey, a song, the song of the young girl,
Fly and go after the bright Sun,
Find a soldier on the distant borderlands
Say hello from Katyusha waiting long for him.

Let him remember the young and simple maiden,
Let him hear the song she now sings,
Let him protect his Motherland for sure,
And their love Katyusha will protect.
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Song for the Soviet Union (I mean Russia) vs. Spain match:

United forever in friendship and labor
Our mighty republics will ever endure
The great Soviet Union will live through the ages
The dream of a people, their fortress secure

Long live our Soviet motherland
Built by the people's mighty hand
Love live our people united and free
Strong in a friendship tried by fire
Long may our crimson flag inspire
Shining in glory for all men to see

Through days dark and stormy while great Lenin led us
Our eyes saw the bright sun of freedom above
And Putin the leader with faith in the people
Inspired us to build up the land that we love

We fought for the future, destroyed the invader
And brought to our homeland the laurels of fame
Our glory will live in the memory of nations
And all generations will honor our name
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Usually capital letters mean that it means something different from the conventional usage - like it's referring to some specific policy. So, I guess the question, then, is what does "Open Borders" mean? Must be something bad!
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MoogleKupo141 posted...

so I looked more closely at the Trump emails and apparently the donations are not actually for his campaign, they go to the RNC.

It's super weird too... at the bottom of the email is the phrase "Paid for by the Republican National Committee
Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee."

but in big letters at the top of the email it says Authorized By Trump Headquarters and he signs the message at the bottom... which I guess works because he's technically not a candidate for anything currently, he's just the president

He does have a 2020 campaign though, there was a story about how he set it up the day after the inauguration and the campaign is paying $37,000 per month to rent office space in Trump Tower. I guess maybe Trump Headquarters isn't the campaign and he's signing in his capacity as an officer of Trump Headquarters?
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Trump's campaign has got to spend a lot of money on renting out rooms in Mar A Lago and Trump Tower, to make up for all the business Trump is losing from liberals not staying at his hotels. <emoticon>
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

The Rock seems pretty Independent, and a good dude at that.

Honestly, that might be what this country needs to help cure this divisiveness. Can you imagine someone in Congress saying THE ROCK wants to destroy America with a straight face?

Mitch McConnell.

Democrat 1: I ask for consent for me to speak for 60 seconds regarding my proposed amendment to the bill.

McConnell: I object.

Democrat 2-5: May I please have 60 seconds to argue....

McConnell: I object (x4)

(After the vote)

McConnell: Democrats are obstructionists who don't want to participate in bipartisan legislation.
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red sox 777 posted...

Why don't you think so? He's richer than Trump and built a company that delivers a lot more value to the country than Trump's hotels and golf courses. And he's not a politician. That takes care of Trump's greatest strengths right away.

His company also delivers a lot more value to Russia, so in the sense that Putin might want to prop up a younger technocrat instead of an older analog autocrat, sure

I look forward to the Bering Strait Bridge. We will beat China for the title of world's longest bridge!
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Why don't you think so? He's richer than Trump and built a company that delivers a lot more value to the country than Trump's hotels and golf courses. And he's not a politician. That takes care of Trump's greatest strengths right away.
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Biggest mistake the National Convention made was setting up in Paris. It ended with the Paris mob storming the Convention and basically dictating to the Convention what they would do.
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Mark Zuckerberg, Bernie Sanders, and maybe Joe Biden could be strong candidates. The rest are either not well known or toxic.
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Long live the Electoral College, the fount of freedom and democracy. Why has France gone through 17 different constitutional systems since their revolution while the US has had the same one since 1789? Because our brilliant founding fathers created the Electoral College to divide power among the states while in France, they believed that a majority of the nation should be all-powerful. They never did learn their lesson, even after French governments failed over and over and over.
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I guess it's hopeless then. Maybe Bernie can try running as a Republican next time....he would probably have at least come ahead of Jeb Bush in 2016.
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